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Re: Thought provoking diorama.

Post by The Other Dave » Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:42 am

Also, to engage in the discussion:
Mike the Pike wrote:Is it the medium or the content which offends? Why is sexual violence depicted in movies acceptable (as art and message) but not in Miniature?
I'll reiterate that I'm not offended as such, but it's definitely the content that hits my squick buttons. I don't particularly like rape (among other things - torture is well outside my comfort zone too) in any kind of media.

Hmm, that needs a meaning clarification note, I reckon. I mean "I don't like" purely as in "it's not something I enjoy," and not as in "I don't think it should exist." Ah, the joys of the ambiguity of the English language.
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Re: Thought provoking diorama.

Post by Konrad » Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:12 am

Mike the Pike wrote:Random thoughts...

Then again, is it any worse than Francisco Goya's "Horrors of War" series? Damien Hirst's sheep etc etc?

I think that the combination of sex and violence is what puts most people off, but again,the same sort of thing (actually even more graphic) can be seen in any number of 'good' war movies.

Is it the medium or the content which offends? Why is sexual violence depicted in movies acceptable (as art and message) but not in Miniature?

Yet, it's obviously not a table top piece, it's meant as an artistic diorama. Mind you none of his other stuff even comes close to being so thought provoking.

P.P.S. Is the artist even a male? Would it change perspectives if it were created by a woman?
The Pike already said most everything that was passing through my mind. (Except for the "is the artist even male" bit. Food for thought there. A couple other comments-
This is not an artwork depicting gratuitous sexual violence for the sake of getting a pervy hard on. (I'd put that Wet Nurse piece in that category.) It's telling a war story. No different than any hundred movies. Seeing that scene depicted in "toys" with such technical mastery is the shocking part.
The part that actually frightened me, how the stern, grim 40K expressions of the models faces translated the cold brutality of rape so perfectly. I've never had a diorama make me think like this one.
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Re: Thought provoking diorama.

Post by Spevna » Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:39 am

Konrad wrote:

The part that actually frightened me, how the stern, grim 40K expressions of the models faces translated the cold brutality of rape so perfectly.
This is what caught my eye too.One of them appears to be leering, others are just looking plain old evil. Captures the feelings exactly.
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Post by me_in_japan » Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:47 am

I had assumed the heads were conversions. They are, right?
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Post by Primarch » Fri Dec 17, 2010 12:27 pm

me_in_japan wrote:I had assumed the heads were conversions. They are, right?
I dont think so. They look very close if they are.
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Re: Thought provoking diorama.

Post by kris » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:22 pm

To me, the fact that it has inspires so much discussion is what makes it art.
As fun as table top gaming is, how often does it really inspire you to question your values and perceptions and to try and share them with other gamers? That for me moves miniatures from merely entrainment into he realm of art. ;)

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Re: Thought provoking diorama.

Post by me_in_japan » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:24 pm

^ that is pretty much exactly what I was trying to say, only kris managed it far more concisely. :oops:
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Re: Thought provoking diorama.

Post by Primarch » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:27 pm

me_in_japan wrote:^ that is pretty much exactly what I was trying to say, only kris managed it far more concisely. :oops:
Thats more down to your rather wordy nature to be honest.

Regardless, art or not, its not the kind of thing you'd want on your shelf on display when your parents in law came over for a visit. Then it goes from "our daughter's geeky husband" to "pushing her to divorce that filthy beast."
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Re: Thought provoking diorama.

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:37 pm

me_in_japan wrote:^ that is pretty much exactly what I was trying to say, only kris managed it far more concisely. :oops:
take a lesson there man keep it simple...
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Re: Thought provoking diorama.

Post by Primarch » Fri Dec 17, 2010 3:49 pm

Admiral-Badruck wrote:
me_in_japan wrote:^ that is pretty much exactly what I was trying to say, only kris managed it far more concisely. :oops:
take a lesson there man keep it simple...
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