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Re: shading miniatures with an airbrush

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:42 am

Primarch wrote:Yipes those things are expensive.
I was going to ask my wife for one for Xmas, but those prices are beyond our usual pressie budget, especially when you add in a compressor. Instead I'm going to ask for an MP3 player for my games room so I can listen to some tunes whilst I paint everything with a brush. :D
the are not cheep but they make painting fast and somewhat fun :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: shading miniatures with an airbrush

Post by jus » Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:18 am

I am the muppet who posted a thread about airbrushing in the gamefinder forum, apologies

hmm they sure are expensive. That one that everyone and their cat has; is it very noisy? I hearsay that those machines can be quite loud. Also are the cans of air really that bad? even if you have a good double action airbrush? I have limited space in my place, and don't know if I'll be moving out sooner or later so, I really can't invest in big bulky heavy things (compressors). That light compact one that Mike the spear said was rubbish would have been ok though... but its rubbish just like cans of air supposedly are. hmm well, in any case I'll go check out tokyuu hands and creepy doll store and see what they have in stock. :cry: why can't airbrushing be more affordable/economic/user friendly.

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Re: shading miniatures with an airbrush

Post by Mike the Pike » Fri Dec 03, 2010 12:30 am

@Jus: If you are still a bit unsure you can have my small compressor to play/practice with. Get a half-decent brush and try some things out. If you are going to Kuwana, I can give it to you then.
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Re: shading miniatures with an airbrush

Post by Konrad » Fri Dec 03, 2010 5:22 am

Now among the "real" fine scale model crowd, (you may remember those old guys who build jets and tanks and cars and then just put them on a shelf and don't play with them) airbrushing is just "well, duh". Funny how it's like a revolutionary technique among miniature gamers.
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Re: shading miniatures with an airbrush

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:25 am

I think gamers always wanted them but never had much money to spend on them I know for a fact I would not have one if my good wife had not gotten it for me for Christmas.

@jus you really should take mike the pine pole up on his offer
Airbrushing takes time to learn MIJ has done his home work and is getin the hang of it now. I have had my brush for a year and only now does it feel like I am not making a mess every time I turn it on.
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Re: shading miniatures with an airbrush

Post by me_in_japan » Fri Dec 03, 2010 9:38 am

size wise, it looks like this: About the size of a set of headphones, and a bit smaller than my foot.

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noise wise: its about the same as a regular room cooling fan turned up to the highest setting. I wouldnt use it in the same room as someone watching TV or sleeping, but I do use it in the back room while the missus watches TV in the front room, and she says she cant hear it at all.

weight wise: 3.5kg, says my bathroom scales. Which, incidentally, is about what I reckon they weigh, too.

Re: canned air: DO NOT BUY CANNED AIR. IT IS SHIT!

sorry for the strong language, but if anything necessitates an obscenity it is canned air. The stuff is worse than useless. Here's why:

as you use canned air, it gets cold. After about 30 seconds of spray, it has ice on it. Yes, that cold. After about 40 seconds, you cant touch the can anymore. As it gets colder, it loses pressure (dis is basic science stuff.). After the aforementioned 30~40 seconds, air flow has slowed to a trickle. It certainly no longer sprays your paint. In fact, it probably stopped doing so 20 seconds ago. Now your brush is clogged because the paint dried in the nozzle.

Commence disassembly of airbrush. Spend next 5 mins washing it manually with airbrush cleaner cos you cant pump it through properly (can is still too cold). waste a lot of paint. waste a lot of time. waste a lot of airbrush cleaner.

wait a further 10 mins for the can to warm up again.

repeat.

Using canned air is an exercise in frustration. Quite aside from that, basic airbrush technique requires you to have control over the air pressure. This is NOT controlled by the trigger on the brush. It is controlled by the air flow valve on your compressor. Air cans do not have one of these. Thus, you cannot control the pressure. Thus, you cannot paint any line finer than the hull of a rhino.

Do not use canned air. I didnt have anyone to tell me anything about using airbrushes, and i used canned air for months. wasted a huuuuuge amount of money on it, and got so frustrated at being unable to even base coat a tank (after months of trial and error!) that i almost packed in airbrushing completely.

Then I spoke to badruck and discovered that he had had NONE of the problems id had. I enquired as to why that mightve been. Eventually we ascertained that he had a compressor (clearly his wife is a smarter cookie than I am...).

I bought a compressor.

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Re: shading miniatures with an airbrush

Post by Mike the Pike » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:18 am

So what is everyone actually using/planning to use an airbrush for?

I for one never intend to use it to do more than basecoat GW minis. It has taken me long enough to get my brush painting up to a reasonable standard, I am not going to start again at nearly zero.

What I will be using it for is...

Painting panzers etc for FOW.

Terrain making.

Undercoating and base coating minis.

Perhaps some intermediate layers on larger models like tanks.

How about you lot?
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Re: shading miniatures with an airbrush

Post by me_in_japan » Fri Dec 03, 2010 10:34 am

base coating minis, and zenithal highlighting them, too, when appropriate. This is much the same as base coating it, only you go back over it with a mid tone sprayed from above only, then a highlight tone, again from above, but less so.

Stencilling designs onto tanks. Highlighting tanks.

Terrain.

If the stencilling goes well, I may start jiggging about with some fancy whooshy stuff like clouds n whatnot, but thats all a bit pie in the sky at the mo.

Weathering tanks. This is a big, big thing for my airbrush. There are a million things you cant use a regular brush for when it comes to weathering tanks.
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Re: shading miniatures with an airbrush

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Fri Dec 03, 2010 11:08 am

I am about where MIJ is now I am going to start doing a few more things... I am keen to try doing some funky high lighting.. as well as some cool stenciling in the future. I need to get some more masking tape... and reread the DakkaDakka tutorial... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :ugeek:
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Re: shading miniatures with an airbrush

Post by The Other Dave » Fri Dec 03, 2010 3:14 pm

Konrad wrote:Now among the "real" fine scale model crowd, (you may remember those old guys who build jets and tanks and cars and then just put them on a shelf and don't play with them) airbrushing is just "well, duh". Funny how it's like a revolutionary technique among miniature gamers.
Miniature painters do have a more-masochistic-than-thou, quality-of-the-paint-job-is-measured-in-time-put-in streak as a community. If it's quick and easy, it can't be right! :lol:
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