Perrenial Japanese beaurocracy rant

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Re: Perrenial Japanese beaurocracy rant

Post by ashmie » Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:40 am

@ Mus and Underdweller.

Thanks guys for the support. It's all a bit up in the air right now as to what will happen next year (as it is every year to be fair). Anyone who needs a teacher for their respective work places or eikaiwas keep me posted I may be job hunting again come March. Waiting on the board of education to get the budget and decide if they can afford Alt's as usual. I've had that situ pretty much every year bar one since I've been in Japan and for some reason I never get used to it. Who would? Anyway, anyone hear of any jobs let me know folks so I can apply at least. ;)
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Re: Perrenial Japanese beaurocracy rant

Post by AndrewGPaul » Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:45 pm

I read threads like this, and similar rants from people in other countries, and it makes me think that despite the whinging, Britain's not so bad; Banks that open on weekends, being able to make all sorts of arrangements online - I just paid for my new tax disc last night at half eleven - and for me personally, a rather relaxed attitude to time off work. Last week, I asked the boss on Friday if I could have the following Monday off; not a problem. :)

Perhaps it's different for foreigners in the UK, and for Japanese nationals in Japan.

Apologies - perhaps my self-satisfied ramblings aren't exactly what you want to hear. :)

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Re: Perrenial Japanese beaurocracy rant

Post by job » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:57 am

The Underdweller wrote:
ashmie wrote:Who the heck has a permanent contract these days anyway?
Well, the government just passed a new law that anyone on perpetually renewing contracts must be made permanent after 5 years - but years you have already worked don't count, so 5 years after April 2013, there will either be a lot of people on permenanent contracts, or a lot of non-renewed contracts...or they'll just ignore the law altogether, Japan is good at that.
Watch out, of course. The other rationale is that you keep a person for 4.5 years then try to find a new person.

And yet again, that is easier said than done for many employers. Often it is hard to find another qualified or willing person to take many positions, especially in far off places like Tsu. Hopefully agencies see an advantage in employing people beyond the end of their 5 years.
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Re: Perrenial Japanese beaurocracy rant

Post by ashmie » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:03 am

@AGP: you're right Britain rocks on many levels, despite the bad weather, high tax and the general publics rather downbeat outlook it could be an excellent place to live again. The people of Britain just need to stiff up a lip and realise how good a place it is so we can improve things.
I'm thinking of moving back as it goes. I love Japan but miss my own people, the jokes and the culture to be honest.
We shall see. No harm in dreaming. :)
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Re: Perrenial Japanese beaurocracy rant

Post by Primarch » Fri Jan 25, 2013 4:19 am

ashmie wrote:@AGP: you're right Britain rocks on many levels, despite the bad weather, high tax and the general publics rather downbeat outlook it could be an excellent place to live again. The people of Britain just need to stiff up a lip and realise how good a place it is so we can improve things.
I'm thinking if moving back as it goes. With it without my family for the time being until I've got a job and place set up. I love Japan but miss my own people, the jokes and the culture to be honest.
We shall see. No harm in dreaming. :)
Just as a point about moving back to the UK. I was looking into that recently as a student told me that they were thinking of emigrating and wanted advice about the UK.

Obviously us Brits can go there freely, but for our spouses it is another matter entirely.

First off your missus NEEDs to have a TOEIC score or similar. If you are married to a British citizen the required score is 120 points. As you can get that simply by writing your name on the test sheet and just checking all the 'A' boxes it's kind of pointless, but bureaucrats do like to make it look like they are being effective.

Second thing you need is to pay about 110,000 yen for the visa application. That doesn't guarantee you'll get it mind and it is non-refundable if you are refused.

Third thing is you need to prove that you and your wife share financial responsibility, that means either proof of a joint account or that you are both registered as renting your current property together.

Next you need to attend interviews to show that you can communicate with each other in a common tongue (English or Japanese). These may or may not involve you both being tested to see what you know about each other.

The final thing you need is an income of about 18,000 pounds a year (more if you have a child) between you. Note that this is the income you will have in the UK. Your current earnings aren't counted. So that means you have to have a job and a letter guaranteeing your salary BEFORE you apply.

Once you have jumped through all those hoops, dotted all the i's and crossed all the t's you may or may not get your Visa in between 2 and 12 weeks. (though apparently the offices in Osaka and Tokyo are fairly quick at processing stuff).

Great stuff. :D Who says the UK doesn't have pointless paperwork? :lol:
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Re: Perrenial Japanese beaurocracy rant

Post by ashmie » Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:42 am

See above.

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It sounds like its got even stricter. Well I guess that's that plan shelved.
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Re: Perrenial Japanese beaurocracy rant

Post by YellowStreak » Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:39 am

ashmie wrote:See above.

Flippin eck! Reaches for his copy of Robinson Crueso and cracks open another beer.
It sounds like its got even stricter. Well I guess that's that plan shelved.
Are you still considering it? Oh it was your student
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Re: Perrenial Japanese beaurocracy rant

Post by Dungeon Lord » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:29 am

@ Underdweller: Thanks for the info. Good to know.

As for getting spouses to your home country. The UK requirements don't seem too "unreasonable" except for the job part. But many many years ago a friend went back to Oz and took his wife with him. I believe they got a visitors visa and flew into Brisbane first. Then applied for the temporary spousal visa once they got there.

I am a bit hazy on the details, but my point is that there is probably a way around getting a job before leaving Japan.

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Re: Perrenial Japanese beaurocracy rant

Post by Dungeon Lord » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:45 am

@ MIJ - Bummer with the Eijuken timing mate. That must of been frustrating as hell. I hear the Nagoya immigration are at least reasonably politely. I have had to deal with the Yokkaichi office which are a bunch of rude grumpy so an sos that speak to like they would rather be extracting the smelly sluge from a pit toilet.

It is a nice feeling to have that Eijuken though, right?

As for the loan and house. Your feelings are totally justified. The bank guy really should have made it very clear that the insurer may/definitely require you to be on a permanent contract for at least a year. Disappointing to be sure, but life may be forcing you to wait 'cause the house/land you will get is worth waiting for. :idea:

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Re: Perrenial Japanese beaurocracy rant

Post by Primarch_Vanguard » Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:11 am

[quote="Dungeon Lord"]@ MIJ - Bummer with the Eijuken timing mate. That must of been frustrating as hell. I hear the Nagoya immigration are at least reasonably politely. I have had to deal with the Yokkaichi office which are a bunch of rude grumpy so an sos that speak to like they would rather be extracting the smelly sluge from a pit toilet.

The Yokkaichi immigration must be akin to be sent to Siberia. Thus there shitty attitude. I always go to Nagoya to get something done because doing it in Yokkaichi takes twice as long. When I used to play sports, I would go to Yokkaichi and get bullshit service. I went to Nagoya and mentioned offhand I needed the visa ASAP because I needed to go to a tournament in Malaysia and blam! Once I'd shown my credentials and they checked them out, right to the front of the line and my own person doing all the documents. Takes two weeks right. BS. They told me to come back in three hours. Done, done and done.

As to the looking for jobs. My buddy just moved back from Sapporo and found a job in two weeks. There is another guy looking for someone for 180000 and few hours in kimono I heard. Thus you pick up privates on the side to make more money. Anyway. Gd luck
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