Chapter House ruling
Re: Chapter House ruling
A rose by any other name....
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Re: Chapter House ruling
And because the Simpsons has an appropriate comment for every situation:Spevna wrote:A rose by any other name....
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Re: Chapter House ruling
Exactly.
Considering the derisive use of "Space elves" by marine players, it's going to be hard on Eldar enthusists. But I might have to order something from CH out of congratulations on sticking it to GW.
Considering the derisive use of "Space elves" by marine players, it's going to be hard on Eldar enthusists. But I might have to order something from CH out of congratulations on sticking it to GW.
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Re: Chapter House ruling
As much as I dislike GW (and it should be fairly clear from past posts how I feel about em), I dislike chapter house even more. Jut cos GW are asshats about pricing policy and wallet gouging doesn't make it ok to freeride on their creative ideas and use their iconography and specific names-of-species. I don't mean this from a legal standpoint, just from a moral one. It just...feels dishonest and sneaky, to my mind. Perhaps a better word is "parasitic".
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Re: Chapter House ruling
me_in_japan wrote:. It just...feels dishonest and sneaky, to my mind.
As sneaky and dishonest as making your own moulds from GW stuff and casting up multiple copies?
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Re: Chapter House ruling
Self-recasting is done (generally) to save money or to reproduce models which are no longer available. What chapterhouse are doing is purely for profit. They're also trying to claim the moral high ground, and are taking the stance that they are somehow helping the gaming public. Their models are of a much lower sculpting standard that GW (whether you like em or not isn't the question - viewed from an objective technical perspective they are inferior) and their items are often passed off on eBay as GW models, thereby damaging GWs reputation and generally lowering the aesthetic standards of the hobby (which it does have. It's more important to some than others, but that's a personal opinion thing.)
I don't think recasting for personal use and setting up a business to sell inferior rip-offs to people is the same thing at all. It's the difference between copying your mate's CD for yourself at home, and forming a band, calling yourselves The Beatles and recording a CD of poorly played Beatles songs. Then selling it to people. Technically both are illegal, but one is far worse than the other.
I don't think recasting for personal use and setting up a business to sell inferior rip-offs to people is the same thing at all. It's the difference between copying your mate's CD for yourself at home, and forming a band, calling yourselves The Beatles and recording a CD of poorly played Beatles songs. Then selling it to people. Technically both are illegal, but one is far worse than the other.
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Re: Chapter House ruling
I have to say chapter house is a poor second to most GW stuff so why does anyone including GW care. I do not see anyone getting after krumlek for there ork knock offs
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Re: Chapter House ruling
me_in_japan wrote:Self-recasting is done (generally) to save money or to reproduce models which are no longer available. What chapterhouse are doing is purely for profit. They're also trying to claim the moral high ground, and are taking the stance that they are somehow helping the gaming public. Their models are of a much lower sculpting standard that GW (whether you like em or not isn't the question - viewed from an objective technical perspective they are inferior) and their items are often passed off on eBay as GW models, thereby damaging GWs reputation and generally lowering the aesthetic standards of the hobby (which it does have. It's more important to some than others, but that's a personal opinion thing.)
I don't think recasting for personal use and setting up a business to sell inferior rip-offs to people is the same thing at all. It's the difference between copying your mate's CD for yourself at home, and forming a band, calling yourselves The Beatles and recording a CD of poorly played Beatles songs. Then selling it to people. Technically both are illegal, but one is far worse than the other.
I would agree with you in regards to recasting, definitely. Personal use vs profit is a no brainer. But for the majority of what CH has made, I don't really see a problem. You need a GW kit to use most of what they make..
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Re: Chapter House ruling
I never get Chapterhouse. They seemed to make inferior copies of GW stuff at pretty much GW prices. And then they acted like, "Yeah, yeah, we are fighting the man!"Spevna wrote:me_in_japan wrote:Self-recasting is done (generally) to save money or to reproduce models which are no longer available. What chapterhouse are doing is purely for profit. They're also trying to claim the moral high ground, and are taking the stance that they are somehow helping the gaming public. Their models are of a much lower sculpting standard that GW (whether you like em or not isn't the question - viewed from an objective technical perspective they are inferior) and their items are often passed off on eBay as GW models, thereby damaging GWs reputation and generally lowering the aesthetic standards of the hobby (which it does have. It's more important to some than others, but that's a personal opinion thing.)
I don't think recasting for personal use and setting up a business to sell inferior rip-offs to people is the same thing at all. It's the difference between copying your mate's CD for yourself at home, and forming a band, calling yourselves The Beatles and recording a CD of poorly played Beatles songs. Then selling it to people. Technically both are illegal, but one is far worse than the other.
I would agree with you in regards to recasting, definitely. Personal use vs profit is a no brainer. But for the majority of what CH has made, I don't really see a problem. You need a GW kit to use most of what they make..
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Re: Chapter House ruling
What is with the CH hate? They are just a 3rd party supplier and most of the stuff is not made by GW, and the prices are definitly not the same as GW.
Kromlech is Polish, so GW C&D's are landed on Deaf ears.
If GW sold bits again and weren't so expensive, there would be less 3rd party suppliers.
Kromlech is Polish, so GW C&D's are landed on Deaf ears.
If GW sold bits again and weren't so expensive, there would be less 3rd party suppliers.