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Re: Next FW book - BADAB WAR

Post by Mike the Pike » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:05 am

I heartily agree with M_i_J. I can't believe I just wrote that :o

Do not fear however my (sometimes) fellow Pointy Eared Players for there is (very expensive) goodness coming our way too.

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Chaos, despite being the focus of the Badab war, seem to be only getting a single mini so far. And to add insult to injury it's just a variation of the Tyrant of Badab which is already available from regular GW. It is nicer than the current version IMHO but come on FW!

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Re: Next FW book - BADAB WAR

Post by Spevna » Sun Aug 22, 2010 7:31 am

Ditto M_I_J.

The differences between chapters are no greater than the difference between Eldar craftworlds or Ork clans yet I see the orks and Eldar only get one codex each.
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Re: Next FW book - BADAB WAR

Post by Primarch » Sun Aug 22, 2010 12:22 pm

[quote="me_in_japan"] Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Ultramarines, Dark Angels, Red Scorpions, Crimson Fists, Salamanders, Imperial Fists, Black Templars, or any other chapter

Salamanders, Crimson Fists and Imperial Fists are in the same book as the Ultramarines, so dont go whining about them. Its like complaining about Saim Hann and Biel Tan. The others are all in seperate books.

Dark Angels could be lumped in with Ultras in all honesty as except for a couple of wargear differences and a couple of characters there are no differences between them.

Putting Space Wolves or Blood Angels into the same book would require the book to be about twice the size since every unit has different rules or different places in the FOC, and the armies do play differently given the scope of the game.

A simple way to put this is : If you dont like marines, you're playing the wrong game. 40k has been marine centric from the very beginning. Rogue Trader had marines on the front cover. The first plastic kits were all for marines. When they started doing the codex thing, they very quickly put out multiple marine books. The 2nd edition boxed set contained marines as a starter army, as did the 3rd, 4th and 5th starter boxes. Marines sell, and they sell well. GW aren't doing this for fun and games, they're doing it for money. Until Eldar players outnumber marine players, nothing will be changing. Its sad, but thats the truth.

Anyway, Eldar vs Space Wolves are the rumours for IA:11
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Re: Next FW book - BADAB WAR

Post by me_in_japan » Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:01 pm

Do not fear however my (sometimes) fellow Pointy Eared Players for there is (very expensive) goodness coming our way too.
a) hmmn, rather...static.
b) huzzah! New eldar stuff!

c) I quite like the new tyrant model. OK, he's another `('#(}`@: space marine, but you cant fault the sculpting.
Just like all eldar are the same pointy eared elfs from fantasy.
I dont follow. Can you explain more?
Until Eldar players outnumber marine players, nothing will be changing. Its sad, but thats the truth.
Until Eldar (or any other species) get more exposure in terms of marketing and new minis, thats never gonna happen. If you spend the vast majority of your time promoting one product (marines) and then most gamers buy em, you cant then say "aha, we make lots of marines cos more people play em." No. Gamers dont play marines cos they're somehow inherently cooler, they play em cos they get them shoved down their throats at every possible opportunity. It's like coca cola. It is not the world's number one soft drink because it has such a great taste.
the armies do play differently given the scope of the game.
Not from where the non-marine players are sitting, which is rather the point. If you play marines, then you can see differences. If you dont play marines, theyre all the same.
If you dont like marines, you're playing the wrong game.
Which is one of the big reasons I now play Warmachine. Honestly, it took a lot for me to start a whole new game system, investment in time, money etc, but 40k was just getting old. People have complained in the past that my eldar lists didnt change. They didnt change because the only thing they ever had to kill was space marines. Seriously, GW. There has to be a better system than leaving players for 4 years (and counting) before you update their army. (And as y'all know, Eldar aint the worst off army out there.)

4 years? thats a bloody looooong time. Seriously. In 4 years I emigrated, got a new job, built a social circle, met a girl, dated said girl, and got married to said girl. Surely to jeebus a publishing company can update a dozen books in the time it takes me to build an entire life in a foreign country?

To compare: PP released army books for the ENTIRE GAME of Warmachine in 6 months! 1 core rulebook, and 6 faction books. boom, done. Now theyre doing Hordes, and again, this should take 6 months.

1 year, 14 books, including core rules revisions. Can GW not manage this?
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Re: Next FW book - BADAB WAR

Post by Spevna » Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:21 pm

I agree with most of M_I_J said except for one thing. People don't go for Space Marines because they are shoved down their throats (thought they are shoved down peoples throats) but because they actually are super cool. Take a look at sci fi as a genre and the concept of rock hard uber marines both with and without power armour is a universally popular image. If Eldar were given as much marekting, advertising, and exposure I reckon they still would not shift as many minis as the Space Marines.
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Re: Next FW book - BADAB WAR

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Sun Aug 22, 2010 3:37 pm

The problem with Eldar is they are Supper-Fabulous... if you want a good looking classy army you play them... if you want an army that stomps the guts out of little Panzeey space elves... you play Space Wolves or Orks Sorry... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: Next FW book - BADAB WAR

Post by Colonel Voss » Sun Aug 22, 2010 9:16 pm

Strange, I thought at Nagoyahammer, we had a wide variety of armies on display.
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Re: Next FW book - BADAB WAR

Post by Primarch » Mon Aug 23, 2010 2:11 am

Colonel Voss wrote:Strange, I thought at Nagoyahammer, we had a wide variety of armies on display.
There was. At the 40k Tournament recently there was 1 Eldar, 1 Guard, 3 Chaos Marine and 4 Marine armies taking up table space.

Anyhoo, the rumour mongers on Warseer have some reports from Games Day with the following info.
IA:11 will be Eldar vs. Space Wolves, Cadians, and Elysians
Set to take place on an Ice World
Phantom Titan due out this year (maybe)
No solid info on what the Eldar will be getting, but we do know of small light skimmer, troop upgrade kits, and more then likely a super heavy
No news of what the Woves or guard will be getting.
Quick notes from FW seminar:
Necron model by Hayes standing by UK GD
Phantom Titan by Xmas
Troops for Eldar
Will do a Warlord- not started, min of a year once started, 2 years minimum
Chaos and Ork tribes in the future - unspecified
Fantasy? *Yes. *Announcing soon. *Outside 40k guys, new team*
Tyranids? *Nothing planned yet. *Can work quickly. *A year minimum.
DE - no comment on future armies, but not a no
Plans for scenery for 40k and Fantasy
Salamanders in Badab war - nice to extra stuff - pads and etch (shown) and maybe more
Tweaking the Sharks name in Badab
IA11: Eldar and Space Wolves, plus Cadians/Elysians

Now quit yer bellyachin' ya whingin' grots.
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Re: Next FW book - BADAB WAR

Post by me_in_japan » Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:57 am

At the 40k Tournament recently there was 1 Eldar, 1 Guard, 3 Chaos Marine and 4 Marine armies taking up table space.
i.e. 1 xenos, 1 IG, and 7 marine armies. While CSM have the potential to be different to regular marines, the current codex makes this either difficult or impossible, depending on how fluffy you want to play it.
No solid info on what the Eldar will be getting, but we do know of small light skimmer, troop upgrade kits, and more then likely a super heavy
HOORAY!
Less excited about the super heavy than the troops n stuff. Things I can use in a regular game will see a lot more table-time than super heavies I can only use one a year, if that. But still, yay :)

Any chance of an assault transport? Pretty please?
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Re: Next FW book - BADAB WAR

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:20 am

MIJ Eldar do not need and assault transport... they really do not take a turn move next turn jump out and fleet into what you want to kill. done and done... ... the Marines do not need them either because they can do the same thing they just do not get the fleet deal for me 40k is getting a bit out of hand with codex creep... when the new Tau show up think Kroot should get some kind of transport Open topped just because ... I am sure they do not walk every where they go... but other than that jumping out and assaulting things should be limited to things that are open topped...Orks and Dark Eldar only because those are open topped... Mostly because the other armies really do not need them to win games. the Uba-Komboz dat da beeky can pull of with a Landraider are cool but they surely do not need them to win the game...
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