People moaning about Badruck's wierd army ideas

[Mike the Pike]

Ummm, no. Normal people also do.

From Monopoly to Warhammer to Cricket to UFC, games and sports have rules/laws. Is this not true?

You can follow them and enjoy yourself or you can pick and choose which rules you want to abide by and become a cheat/tool instead.

@the Madmiral: Next time you are using strong solvents in your modeling room, try opening the windows

[Spevna]

If I made an army consisting of Baneblades, broadsides, incubi, death company, all led by Ragnar, itd be unique, but that wouldnt make it game-legal.

That is not the point and you know it isn't.

I am going to make a Codex Space Marine army one day. I am doing so because I want an army with 6 dreadnoughts (and everyone knows big robots are cool).

I also want to do an all jump pack army one day too. I am doing so because jump packs are cool. I will use the Codex Blood Angels for this.

I am going to paint my codex space marine army blue.

I am going to paint my jump pack army blue too.

I may, if the mood takes me, use 3 dreads from my Codex Space Marine army and 3 units of jump pack troops from my Codex Blood Angels, put them together and run them with the codex space marine.

I fail to see the problem as long as everything is WYSIWYG.

[Primarch]

Only power gamer think in terms of game legal or not..

Not really, no. If something is not game legal it is technically cheating. For example, moving my land raider 48 inches and firing all the guns 5 times each isnt legal, but I can be pretty sure even the funnest guy on the planet would be calling me on it. If you ask your opponent nicely then they may allow you to do something outside the rules for "fun" reasons.
A power gamer will try to take the best every time, balancing out weak points in their list or spamming things they know to be good. For example trying to give fleet to an army that already has furious charge and feel no pain.

No-one said you cant use the Shrike model for your World Eaters, but using the Shrike rules on top of the Blood Angel rules would be power gaming. Using your World Eaters as Codex Space Marines and using Shrike is fine.

Mixing and matching rules is not allowed in a standard game. House rules and home made stuff is always opponent's consent, but you wouldnt show up to a tournament and expect to use it.

I fail to see the problem as long as everything is WYSIWYG.

To return to the point I was trying to make and with reference to Spevs post. You can use marines to represent any marines, but modelling WYSIWYG will either require lots of extra models to allow for the different wargear, or finding the 1 piece of wargear which is in all the books.

[Spevna]

To return to the point I was trying to make and with reference to Spevs post. You can use marines to represent any marines, but modelling WYSIWYG will either require lots of extra models to allow for the different wargear, or finding the 1 piece of wargear which is in all the books.

Exactly. It will be pretty generic as a result. If you want a fluffy army, it's probably better to stick to the one codex.

[Mike the Pike]

everyone knows big robots are cool

Dreadnaughts aren't robots

I couldn't resist

[Admiral-Badruck]

You miss understand... Pike the Mike

I am not saying put Kharn and Shrike on the same game table at the same time... I mean the core of the army Tactical marines and scouts plus most of the tanks and even assault marines as well as terminators look the same so why should I buy more models for the ones I have ...

And I am not saying that the Purple scorpion is bad in fact it helps me prove my point ... if I have a rules for a model that I do not like I should be abel to change the model to look like what I want it to... Example if I got Blood Crusher models and put world eaters on them and played them as space wolves why oh why would anyone have problem with it.. same size same relative shape and if I said "this is a proxy of a thunder wolf" then why would any one have a problem with that...

[Spevna]

everyone knows big robots are cool

Dreadnaughts aren't robots

I couldn't resist

PEDAntic and PEDerAst share so many letters in common because they are both so morally reprehensible.

[Mike the Pike]

@Spev: You forgot to highlight the common 't' as well.

@The madmiral: But you seem to be advocating using the rules for Shrike/Thunderwolves while using the Blood angels rules for the rest of your army. Or have I gotten the wrong end of the stick? If you are really just advocating proxying differently colored models then I couldn't care less.

[Primarch]

No-one has said you cant do that, though I think the point was made that if you play the same army every week, but every week you change books people will start feeling put off playing you as A)it can be tough knowing your own rules well, let alone your opponent's and B) mistakes might be made on both sides.
"I thought those guys were weapon skill 3, strength 4, initiative 4?"
"Nope, today they are WS4, S5, I5,"
"I wouldnt have moved my guys there if I had known that!"

Doing things your way still involves buying extra models to make them WYSIWYG (What you see is what you get for those out there who arent familiar with the term, basically means that models should have the specific wargear they are using modelled onto them in some way. Standard bolters and swords aren't always necessary, but if the model has unusual wargear such as a melta gun or power fist, it should be clearly visible).
Ie. You have to buy the core of your army (lets say ultramarines), then you need to buy the space wolf specific stuff (thunder wolves) and the blood angels (sanguinary guard, storm ravens) etc etc etc.

[Spevna]

@Spev: You forgot to highlight the common 't' as well.

@The madmiral: But you seem to be advocating using the rules for Shrike/Thunderwolves while using the Blood angels rules for the rest of your army. Or have I gotten the wrong end of the stick? If you are really just advocating proxying differently colored models then I couldn't care less.

I hate it when I try to be funny and ending up screwing the pooch with my own joke

I think what the Admiral is saying is that he can't see the problem with using Shrike and the codex he comes from to represent 30K World Eaters. I THINK that is what he means as I too found his line of logic (or maybe just his typing) a little tough to follow. At first I thought he was suggesting writing your own codex! Honestly, who knows with that bloke!!