Q's about Daemons and Chaos

[Admiral-Badruck]

I guess I just ask because I do not use psykers and have no idea how the rules for them work. I normally just trust the guy using them on me...I think doom would not be able to target Kaharns unit because he is immune but that is because in order to target the unit it would have to target him as well and that seem like a no go. Can some one direct me to page number in a rule book that says other wise. I am not trying to be douche bag I really might have to make a judgement on this sometime so I want to be aware of how it is dealt with in the rules.

[AndrewGPaul]

Kharn is "immune to psychic powers"

Actually he's "immune to the effects of psychic powers" (emphasis mine). Not quite the same thing.

Guide affects an Eldar unit, so Kharn's ability doesn't come into play. As for Doom, I would suggest that any hits assigned to Kharn cannot be re-rolled, but that any assigned to anyone else can. The FAQ doesn't mention it one way or the other, but it seems a reasonable ruling to me.

[Admiral-Badruck]

ok that makes sense. thanks mate...

[Primarch]

Kharn is "immune to psychic powers"

Actually he's "immune to the effects of psychic powers" (emphasis mine). Not quite the same thing

I think that is really just splitting hairs isn't it? I can't think of any example where it would make any difference. But fair enough, you have the wording correct.

As for Doom, I would suggest that any hits assigned to Kharn cannot be re-rolled, but that any assigned to anyone else can.

Why are you assigning hits to Kharn BEFORE you've rolled to wound? So long as the unit Kharn has joined is the target, not Kharn himself (e.g. if he isnt in a unit), then Doom would have its usual full effect.

Actually, putting Kharn in a unit causes lots of wierd resolutions for his ability. Any power that changes how a unit moves (e.g. Lash of Submission or Shackle Soul) will be changed since the unit only moves as far as it's slowest model (Lash - Kharn doesnt move, so the unit doesnt move, Shackle Soul - Unit doesn't move so Kharn cant move).

[AndrewGPaul]

Why are you assigning hits to Kharn BEFORE you've rolled to wound?

Because I've read the rules wrong, clearly

You're right, at the point where Doom kicks in, nothing's affecting Kharn directly, so his ability has no effect.

As to my pedanticism, it was perhaps misguided in this instance. Usually, I hear it put like "Psychic powers don't work on him", which can imply that the entire power is nullified, rather than simply Kharn being specifically unaffected.

[Primarch]

Why are you assigning hits to Kharn BEFORE you've rolled to wound?

Because I've read the rules wrong, clearly

You're right, at the point where Doom kicks in, nothing's affecting Kharn directly, so his ability has no effect.

As to my pedanticism, it was perhaps misguided in this instance. Usually, I hear it put like "Psychic powers don't work on him", which can imply that the entire power is nullified, rather than simply Kharn being specifically unaffected.

No worries mate. I'm somewhat well known locally for putting the 'Primarch' into "That Primarch is a pedantic b4st4rd, isn't he?"

[me_in_japan]

what? oh, that Primarch. Yeah, he's a right pedantic b4st4rd, he is...

meh, its an improvement on certain other players round here (who shall remain unnamed ) who tend to treat the rules as things which happen to other people, and consider a quick 5 mins skim through as having memorised the book...

[Primarch]

what? oh, that Primarch. Yeah, he's a right pedantic b4st4rd, he is...

meh, its an improvement on certain other players round here (who shall remain unnamed ) who tend to treat the rules as things which happen to other people, and consider a quick 5 mins skim through as having memorised the book...

Yeah, but I seem to recall hearing that those guys are doctors or something.

[Admiral-Badruck]

What ever guys... that is what I get for asking about some rules... that do not make sense.... if you ask me they should take Psykers out all together... they ad complexity that is un welcome.. at least for me... others seem to like that aspect of the game. I really do not. that said. Next time I will just post a question on Dakka Dakka that what I will not have you guys all pretentious about an honest question. I know the rules for the models I use unless I have mistake them...I know most of the rules. i have never claimed to know them that well I sure do not try to lawyer my way through the game... MIJ and Prime you both have to give me that...Blessing of the Blood God will not save you from JawsOTWW then will it? a simple yes or know will do. I would say that Blessing of the Blood God should give you a 2+ save against any Psykic attack. but it is very clear in the codex that it only helps against wounds... lame IMHO if Khone is going to be the anti Psyker he sure is not doing it very well... and I guess he sure likes Kharn better than the rest of his followers...

[AndrewGPaul]

If you take psykers out, it stops being 40K, surely? Might as well do away with Daemons and Space Marines too.