Are IG the 7th Edition Daemons of 40K?

[frans]

Sorry if I have misunderstood the discussion but I would like to add my opinions, but first an explanation of how we play it here in Sweden.

All known tournament are run with the “Swedish 40k FAQ” it includes some rules explanation and codex updates. The codex updates mostly specify that all old codex by there vehicles from the Imperial updates, so that the Deamon hunter chimera costs and works the same way as an IG chimera. It is also forbidden with allies, the allied inquisitor in a IG list is in my opinion stupid.

There is also a composition document that most people and tournament use and this is quite aggressive when you start to spam vehicles.

When the IG play can’t protect him from deep strike with the inquisitor it is easy to pick him apart almost all armies has some deep striking potential.

And remember that a chimera has 10 on the side and an explosion means that probably 4 guardsmen dies, pinning test and morale check. Even if they stand they will not run across the board and claim objectives.

My experience with pick-up games is that most people like to experiment; it is possible for me to waste a complete day thinking of a new ultimate build and then trying it, often by losing badly. I have never met someone playing the same list week after week if it is not training for a big tournament.

[Admiral-Badruck]

@Get out your sack because here comes the salt...

I say if you cant beat them join them... (One of the best reasons I may never have an Eldar army).. also really look at what you can do... if you want to beat a better army you have to work at it. if you have a table at your home then set it up get some IG stand in models and set up a few games against your self... take the time to look at each move you made look at what your options are and then look at what the IG have for options.... then look at what you can do to beat it... I think if you take The Salamander guy. and your twin linked Melta guns and multi-meltas are going to rock those silly tanks take Drop pods to get them in range blood Angels in combat squads and melta pistols bang bang your dead.... Dreads in drop pods as well a deep striking land raider come down shoot those stupid Valks down with your BA Storm Raven gun ship of doom... the tools are there me thinks... Dante there goes a tank in one go...

try to kill the leader and psykers first...

or go for a Dark Angels Deathwing Company terminate them....

I want my shot at this so called leaf blower... Hoora

[Primarch]

I want my shot at this so called leaf blower... Hoora

If you're playing 3 marine chapters including Belial, Dante AND Vulkan I think the odds will be in your favour.
Realistically though, deep striking may help a little, assuming that your reserves aren't being messed up by the IG command squad containing the commander of the fleet/astropath combo.

[Admiral-Badruck]

I am saying anyone of those could do it...

[Admiral-Badruck]

[ deep striking may help a little, assuming that your reserves aren't being messed up by the IG command squad containing the commander of the fleet/astropath combo.

how does that work... I have no idea what you are talking about...

[Primarch]

[ deep striking may help a little, assuming that your reserves aren't being messed up by the IG command squad containing the commander of the fleet/astropath combo.

how does that work... I have no idea what you are talking about...

The IG command squad can take an upgrade which puts a penalty on your reserves. They can also get their own reserves on faster if they want to. If you outflank, they can make you reroll your dice as well as rerolling their own. Its not a massive problem to overcome, especially since they lost the inquisitor and his "kill all deepstrikers" retinue, but having your land raider delayed by several turns could be costly.
Deepstriking is definitely a good choice. Unless your opponent sees you pulling drop pods out of the bags, gives you the first turn and doesnt deploy.

[Admiral-Badruck]

drop pod wall...

[me_in_japan]

I say if you cant beat them join them... (One of the best reasons I may never have an Eldar army)

good grief. That was almost a witticism from badruck. Good show, old bean

[Admiral-Badruck]

glad you liked it..

[Danguinius]

Thanks for all of the responses. Well, there is one guy in our area who has always power-gamed...so when it became obvious that IG were the new WFB Daemons, he immediately made an IG army with exactly enough Guardsmen to make 6 Vet squads (+6 Chimeras and about another half-dozen tanks). Insterestingly, he also played WFB Daemons in 7th Edition with no sense of shame. Another player in our group, who was still somewhat of a noob and who lost more than he won, immediately saw this working out in his favor and jumped on the bandwagon. That made two players, which is nearly half our group.

I`m not sure explaining the situation to them will help much because one of them has always been a shameless WAACster and the other one is becoming that way. I used to be very patient with the noob player. He once lost to my CSM army and claimed that my single Land Raider was over-powered...so I never fielded it against him again. He lost another time and claimed that CSM bikes were also over-powered...so I stopped using them as well. I eventually changed my whole army to Daemons, which he said "looked kind of weak", so I thought there wouldn`t be anymore problems. But now that the tables are turned, I don`t think he will listen. Interestingly, after he beat my Daemons with the leaf-blower, he has never changed his army list. And after he beat me in WFB with his 3-cannon + 2 Hellblaster list, he has never changed his army list. So, he seems to be encouraged by his own power-gaming to some extent.

I think the solution is for me to move up to Nagoya and get in with a real group of cool gamers!

Danguinius