Are IG the 7th Edition Daemons of 40K?

[Admiral-Badruck]

I think the pike has you again prime.

[Mike the Pike]

Pike pwns Prim!

[me_in_japan]

tis I, the foul-mouthed pointy-eared princeling o doom...

OK, fair do's, f-censorship I can live with, sorry about that, but my post about the familal lineage of dark eldar was hardly offensive, was it? I mean, Its a female dog, fer crying out loud. T'aint even a proper swearword!

btw, I have, to date, used the f-word twice, ever, on this forum. Both times I thought about it before doing so, but both times I felt its usage was justified.

occasion #1: My opinion of the Caestus Assault Ram. I stand by this usage. no expletive exists to adequately express my loathing of this abomination.

occasion #2: being accused of power gaming by the madmiral. I mean come on!

[Admiral-Badruck]

who did not get the comp points in the last tournament?? who trys hard to build the most powerful list possible and then tries their best to win. Sounds like some one I know. If you were not a power gamer you would play Tau...

[me_in_japan]

hah!

1) there is a difference between how you play at a tourny and how you play in a pick up game. Thats rather the point of a tourny. Competion, y'know? In fact, my army at the tourny was in no way a power gaming army. Seriously, you guys have no idea what a power gaming eldar army looks like because Ive never, ever used one.* it looks like this:

3 X fire dragon units in wave serpents. thats 30 melta shots comin at you in turn 2.
3 X fire prisms.
a farseer.
as many dire avenger units in wave serpents as you can afford

its spam-tastic. and dont gimme "aha but they cant kill ork hordes." They dont have to. They wait until the last turn and tank shock you off the objectives. You cant kill them, either, remember. and besides, the tourney scene here is full of space marines. You dont have to beat everyone to win a tourney, you just need to beat space marines.

*apart from those who read t'internet. I daresay you know.

2) I didnt get comp because there are no decent units in the eldar FA slot. None. not even halfway tolerable. seriously. check.

and for what its worth, i think having comp in tourneys is bit of an oxymoron (yeah, i saw mike use that word and im jealous...) tourneys are about competition and winning (but not being a twat). friendly play is about fairness and balance and fun (and comp.) to my mind, enforcing comp in a tourney is akin to getting cranky in a friendly game because your opponent isnt trying hard enough to win.

3) in what way do i "try hard to build the most powerful list possible and then try my (sic) best to win"? When was the last time i fielded even one unit of fire dragons? do i use seer council on jetbikes much? do i spam falcons? fire prisms? heck, when was the last time i used harlequins?

seriously, badruck me ol' bean. I know i canny beat your orks, but one day soon you need to try again with your marines and see what its really like when I "try hard to build the most powerful list possible"



*edit* btw, Im just opinionating here, cos badruck's leading me on (as he often does, of late. I aint cranky or owt )

[Admiral-Badruck]

Just so every one know if I can get MIJs of Primes Goat... I will every time...

if you did spam out you would get beat... the point I am trying to make is there are some of us that really build our lists and really work to win.. and there are others that just show up to throw some dice they do not really even know what all their own units do so there is no hope that they can ever know what yours do. you know what I am talking about.. the new guys... I actually feel bad about crushing them in tournaments because I know how bad that sucks... I want to be clear 40k is fun but tournaments are only fun for the prepared. Pick up games are times for guys with experience to see what units do like when I play my wife I could stomp her in to the table and then she would never play me again. But if I let her win then she would not have any fun either... guys like Prime and MIJ play at a high level of strategy they use Math and theory hammer to work out the best lists and make every unit count. with guys like them in control of the leaf blower list you are going to have a very hard time and it may event be impossible unless the get really bad rolls.

Honestly I think every Player in our group tries to play a fun list that is both competitive a full of weaknesses.

I do spam units but that makes me venerable to a list built to kill mine.

I think most this talk about power gamers belongs in another thread... Yhoo hoo mods get to work.

[Yarrick60]

Thanks for all of the responses. Well, there is one guy in our area who has always power-gamed...so when it became obvious that IG were the new WFB Daemons, he immediately made an IG army with exactly enough Guardsmen to make 6 Vet squads (+6 Chimeras and about another half-dozen tanks). Insterestingly, he also played WFB Daemons in 7th Edition with no sense of shame. Another player in our group, who was still somewhat of a noob and who lost more than he won, immediately saw this working out in his favor and jumped on the bandwagon. That made two players, which is nearly half our group.

Just to clarify, because I am playing also in same group and with IG. I am not the guy playing always overpowered and of course I am not the noob player . Danguinius you forget one normal IG guy in your group... me. I am playing IG now from maybe more than 15 years ago, I have a huge army, lot of tanks, Valhalla, Vostroyan, steel legion infantry and I have played with all codex and in all editions. I remember when consolidating allowed one unit to destroy all your army in close combat (then I started to play with Rough Riders with interesting results).
What Danguinius says is true, but no only for IG is for all army than can deploy tons of vehicles and specially transports that carry scoring troops. For example, Blood Angels with Razorbacks with 6 marines inside and special weapon, mechanized Tau or Eldar. So problem is not codex IG (of course veterans/chimera combination didn´t helps), it is vehicles rules in this last edition and army that can´t use them, for example Daemons or Tyranids.

PS: I have beat this two army always with my normal IG list, and this last weekend Danguinius and me made a big corrective to them in a Apocalypse battle

[Admiral-Badruck]

"Well done Yarrik" As an ork I kan't believe I just said that.... But yes IG are very hard for Daemons to take down. I have not had good luck with that ever. with marines I can do OK with BA I can also do a bit better. I think it is true that Mec. Lists are very hard for most armies to deal with and some armies do very well against them but normaly it is an up hill fight. I hope to see the IG come to play here in Nagoya hammer... my orks are getting hungry...

[Danguinius]

Yarrick, of course I`m not referring to you. You know who I mean. And yes, we did get a little payback in our Apocalypse battle, but...

In fact, I`m not bitter about a few people using that style IG army, I`m just saying that it`s on a whole other level than other chessy armies in 40K now (much like 7th ed. Dameons in WFB).

Any army that can spam affordable transports has an advantage in this edition of 40K, no doubt, but IG can do it best with 3-melta vet squads. That was the main point of my post.

Oh well, maybe those sexy new Dark Eldar will have what it takes to re-balance the meta-game!

Danguinius

[Primarch]

Oh well, maybe those sexy new Dark Eldar will have what it takes to re-balance the meta-game!

Danguinius

If not, maybe you can convince the IG players to pick up a new army?