The new Blood Angles 'Dex

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Re: The new Blood Angles 'Dex

Post by jus » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:40 pm

models are ordered, 4 boxes of sanguinary guard and a box of death company. Merry christmas to me :roll:
oh, and a mephiston. hmm, angels vs...space wolves would be epic. Might be a while though since they haven't said anythng about dispatching yet and I still need to assemble them. I won't be able to have them by kuwana game day. But I'm hoping for the badruk game during winter holiday, and another other day that badruk/anyone else wants a game during the holidays.

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Re: The new Blood Angles 'Dex

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:45 pm

sure bring on the Blood Angels the are suposed to be one of the best ork killer lists out there... bring on the pain... I am ready for you...
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Re: The new Blood Angles 'Dex

Post by jus » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:29 pm

aaargh orks! the butcher of the eldar. I dunno kinda want to use mephiston, now that he's table top ready and rarring to go.

Here's a fluff question though, I'm curious what you guys think. Here's what people out there reckon what cultural themes space marine chapters are based off of. From the look, the stories, character's names etc

Black templars = crusaders

Space Wolves= Vikings/Norsemen

Ultramarines= Roman Legionnaires

White Scars= Mongolian Raiders

But what about the blood angels? Who are they based off? Its a bit vague. Alot of the names used sound Italian like "brother Sendini,Corbulo, Adanicio, Machiavi," not to mention "Dante". Then you look at theres a whole greek/macedonian theme running with that Italian, with death mask motifs and 6 pack nipple armour, leather strip loin clothes, as well characters like " brother bellerophon " (greek name) I think Mephiston might be a greek name too. Then there's the vampire motif to throw into the mix.

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Re: The new Blood Angles 'Dex

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Mon Dec 13, 2010 1:46 pm

they are totally Space Vampires trying to be good and going crazy in doing so... IMHO
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Re: The new Blood Angles 'Dex

Post by jus » Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:17 pm

they are totally Space Vampires trying to be good and going crazy in doing so... IMHO
hmm ok, well thats a start. I was hoping for a more concrete historical army or theme. Right now I see hints of greek/ italian/ renaissance ...and vampire . :lol: I'm not much of a history buff, and not every Chapter's theme has to be based on a culture. But theres enough hints in the fluff and design to make me believe that it is. They love art, and gold statues...very greek. Bit if philosophy, bit of insanity, bit of italy, gives off a renaissance flair. food for thought eh?
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Re: The new Blood Angles 'Dex

Post by Primarch » Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:24 pm

jus wrote:But what about the blood angels? Who are they based off? Its a bit vague. Alot of the names used sound Italian like "brother Sendini,Corbulo, Adanicio, Machiavi," not to mention "Dante". Then you look at theres a whole greek/macedonian theme running with that Italian, with death mask motifs and 6 pack nipple armour, leather strip loin clothes, as well characters like " brother bellerophon " (greek name) I think Mephiston might be a greek name too. Then there's the vampire motif to throw into the mix.

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Mephiston comes from Mephistopheles which is the name of the demon from the tale Faust. I think that the Blood Angels are based on renaissance Europe personally. Classic Italian and Greek along with all the biblical stuff. Classic artworks such as Michelangelo's David seem to have been a source of inspiration for the design of the Sanguinary Guard as well as the Death Masks which were common amongst the nobility in 17th century Europe. Whilst there is - very obviously - a 'blood' related theme to them, the Blood Angels are not vampires in that they do not need blood to survive. Instead the blood holds an almost religious significance to them, being used in ceremonies and spiritual rites.
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Re: The new Blood Angles 'Dex

Post by jus » Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:44 pm

I think thats a spot on observation. Renaissance it is then, all the beauty and the art loving and the tragedy, all poignant renaissance themes. HAH, now it all makes sense!

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Re: The new Blood Angles 'Dex

Post by frans » Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:48 pm

It is not so very fun to build a theme army where you win easily against half of the opponents and there is no point in deploying against the other half.

One is balance, two are spam and three is a theme. I am not so fond of themed armies when the theme is around a specific unit, a mechanized veteran IG army is a themed list and also one of the strongest lists the same way as a blood angel death company list is themed and almost useless. A war weary IG list and a list with similar background to flesh tearers is in my opinion more fun to play for a longer time.

I am only throwing out an idée couldn’t you have an army with Sanguinary Guard initiate. They would have some pieces Sanguinary Guard like shoulder pads on normal assault marines. Paint them like your normal marines except some extra gold trimmings on shoulderpads and helmet. Make the Sergeant a SG. If you are a good painter paint the assault marines white with gold trimmings, I think they would look awesome.

From my experience the best themed armies are the balance army with themed focus to paint and model around. If the focus are SG make the assault marines SG like, SG with two weapons could be Vanguards, golden dreadnought (librarian dread with wings of Sanguinius).

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Re: The new Blood Angles 'Dex

Post by frans » Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:50 pm

Primarch wrote:Mephiston comes from Mephistopheles which is the name of the demon from the tale Faust. I think that the Blood Angels are based on renaissance Europe personally. Classic Italian and Greek along with all the biblical stuff. Classic artworks such as Michelangelo's David seem to have been a source of inspiration for the design of the Sanguinary Guard as well as the Death Masks which were common amongst the nobility in 17th century Europe. Whilst there is - very obviously - a 'blood' related theme to them, the Blood Angels are not vampires in that they do not need blood to survive. Instead the blood holds an almost religious significance to them, being used in ceremonies and spiritual rites.
IMHO a strong theme is good vs evil and beauty vs beast.

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Re: The new Blood Angles 'Dex

Post by Yarrick60 » Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:54 am

Storm shield armed honor guards are extremely survivable, you need to walk a thin line if you give them too much equipment they will cost more than terminators in a Land raider or stormraven. If you give them too little they will not be able to cause any wounds.
Sorry, I cam late for this post, but just use this unit like an anvil and your Sanguinary guard like the hammer.

About, thematic armies, I am totally agree with Frans. The best example of a not funny thematic army is the mechanized veterans multiplasma/melta IG or the Logan Grimnar list with 26 missile launchers (3 of Long Fangs and several Wolf guard with cyclone). They are thematic armies, they are legal but of course you will not make friends. If one day I make something similar please kill me. But in the case of Sanguinary Guard thematic list I think, it will be fine, of course they are powerful and they are fast, but they are really few people and they don´t have invulnerable save. Lost 2 miniatures in one squad and your potential will be decrease very fast. Fight versus one monstrous creature or Dreadnought and you will feel the pain :D . For me this not balanced army could be funny and your opponents will not automatically lost.
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