6th Edition imminent?

[Spevna]

... but it still means buying lots of overpriced minis. I hope it does create a revival.

Not necessarily. I have 2 armies and I didn't buy a single overpriced mini out if necessity.

Not trying to sound like a prat, but I don't remember the last time you won a 40K game I know you're not the competitive type, but I for one would like to have an army that could stick to the man when stickin' was needed.

Last time was against Prim and the time before that was against MiJ I believe. I also lost games to each of them on the same day I believe.

And part of the reason you may not remember is that I believe we have only played 40K against each other the one time, a game you ended up winning. A pretty unenjoyable game as I remember it.

Yep, I don't take my 40K as seriously as you do/did, I just play the armies that I think will be fun or look good on the table. Everyone knows that about me and generally brings lists that will suit that style of play.

The meta game is also s factor. If playing with like minded people, there is no need for the game to turn into an arms race.

Either way, how I play is irrelevant. The point I made still stands. There is no necessity to buy overpriced miniatures. There are other options. They are;

Scratch build.
Proxy.
Buy used.
Convert and kit bash.
Recasters ( not that I am recommending that, just pointing out that to some it is an option).

So no, I don't win many 40k games, no you don't need to buy the expensive new shiny things, and yes you do sound like a p...

[Dungeon Lord]

Last time was against Prim and the time before that was against MiJ I believe. I also lost games to each of them on the same day I believe.

And part of the reason you may not remember is that I believe we have only played 40K against each other the one time, a game you ended up winning. A pretty unenjoyable game as I remember it.

Yep, I don't take my 40K as seriously as you do/did, I just play the armies that I think will be fun or look good on the table. Everyone knows that about me and generally brings lists that will suit that style of play.

The meta game is also s factor. If playing with like minded people, there is no need for the game to turn into an arms race.

Either way, how I play is irrelevant. The point I made still stands. There is no necessity to buy overpriced miniatures. There are other options. They are;

Scratch build.
Proxy.
Buy used.
Convert and kit bash.
Recasters ( not that I am recommending that, just pointing out that to some it is an option).

So no, I don't win many 40k games, no you don't need to buy the expensive new shiny things, and yes you do sound like a p...

Wow. That was a mouthful. Wasn't trying to piss you off mate.

[me_in_japan]

Dinnae fash yersel' - I don't think Spev is bothered

Your point is a fair one, mind you. If one wants to be competitive (and you and I know we don't mean "power gaming" here, just "stand a chance of winning if I want to") one has to buy a slew of new models every time a new codex/edition comes out. I, like you, it seems, find that unreasonable.

I agree that things can mostly be proxied (except eldar, obviously ) but as I mentioned before, it's an additional hassle that I could live without. I know I come across as very moany about 40k, but that's cos I think that the requirements for playing it are unreasonable. Other games, otoh, I really love. Warmachine, Malifaux, and board games are something I really enjoy and would like to play more of. I aint hating on "the hobby", I just think that GW deserves to be ignored for a bit.

[Dungeon Lord]

That echos my thoughts and is what I was getting at. Although it seems that it didn't go down too well.

I think I should also respond to some of the points Spevan made.

Last time was against Prim and the time before that was against MiJ I believe. I also lost games to each of them on the same day I believe.

I stand corrected.

And part of the reason you may not remember is that I believe we have only played 40K against each other the one time, a game you ended up winning. A pretty unenjoyable game as I remember it.

And as you may remember it was in a tournament, in which you play fair and fight it out to see who wins. Did I do something to make it unenjoyable? Did I brag? Is it because you got tabled? Was it the second time that day for you to get table? I didn't enjoy it either mate. Why? Because it wasn't a close match. Not bragging here either, I'm not anywhere near the best player around.

Yep, I don't take my 40K as seriously as you do/did,

This is where you are making an incorrect assumption. I used to like 40K for the minis. I did try to win though (Almost every time people said, "Do you want a game?" we ended up playing a standard mission, not a highly thematic game. The main objective of which is to win. And before you say anything. That was fine by me. I have also played thematic games too. Which I also enjoyed).

Then I started playing a thematic army. Pure Thousand Sons. Not as fun when most others were not playing thematic. Gets kinda depressing and lonely losing because you want to play thematic. Khorne on the other hand have can be Khorne and still win. Thousand Sons will only win against beginners and armies with minimal tanks. But I digress.

I just play the armies that I think will be fun or look good on the table. Everyone knows that about me and generally brings lists that will suit that style of play.

Ok. Just don't expect people to bring armies like you to tournaments.

The meta game is also s factor. If playing with like minded people, there is no need for the game to turn into an arms race.

What does the "s" factor mean?

Scratch build ==> orks can do this, but it takes more time than I have to scratch build everything needed unless it is of paper. Either way it generally doesn't meet my definition of cool unless I do put a lot of time into it and buy the materials which end up being nearly the same price. And CSMs, Spawn etc are hard to scratch build without a good bits box.
Proxy. ==> I have done so with Spawn. But I won't with most other stuff because it doesn't fit the world.
Buy used ==> Difficult to get the same colours and quality of painting. Unpainted are often so close to the original discounted sales. You might as well get all the extra bits too.
Convert and kit bash ==> Done that. Also see "scratch build"
Recasters ( not that I am recommending that, just pointing out that to some it is an option). ==> Not available for everything. I know you do that for your "antique" orks though.

and yes you do sound like a prat.

So do you.

[me_in_japan]

Easy there, folks

@Dlord - I don't think Spev was actually calling you a prat. He tailed off on that sentence deliberately because he was joking. Equally, I'm pretty sure he wasn't accusing you of power gaming or disparaging you in any way. Oh, and I think that "s factor" was a typo. Shoulda been "a factor"

@spev - in Dlords defence your suggestions work fine for you because of your prefered gaming style and choice of army. With marines and eldar (and most anything that isn't orks, actually) its very hard to scratch build something that exactly matches the design aesthetic of all the expensive minis that make up the rest of your army. It can be done, but it is hugely time consuming, and time is something we just dont have. Some might say an exact match to your existing minis isn't important. Others differ. Likewise, eBay is still damn expensive if you're not buying older stuff. It could be seen as a bit vexing to have your suggestion of "do what I do" leveled at one, when the reality is "I can't"

Just trying to balance the sides here. You're both lovely chaps, and it feels all kimochiwarui seeing you at odds over gaming philosophy like this

[Mike the Pike]

Oh my!
http://imgur.com/a/P1ePF

[Primarch]

Woah there guys. C'mon.
DLord, Spev, is there any need? Where's the love? I think this little misunderstanding has run it's course eh?

Granted you've only played once and the game wasn't much fun, but that was in a less than ideal setting for a fun game. (tournament can be fun, but only if that is your thing). Obviously you have different opinions regarding minis, their appearance and their usage. I'm not saying either of you is wrong, but is it possible that you could both be right? Spev likes to do lots of scratch building and proxying and buying stuff used, DL likes to build new kits and make them look exactly the way he wants them to appear. Aren't both of these valid ideas? Sure they are mutually exclusive but that doesn't make one better than the other.

As has been said a billion times before, tone doesn't carry well over the internet, so I am hoping that all of this is just a case of a joke being misinterpreted rather than any real bad blood between you two. Having played both of you, I think you have more in common than not. You're both fun to play with and I am sure neither of you bears any animosity towards the other.

[Mike the Pike]

Oh my 2!

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/s ... 23&page=31

Scroll down to post #309

[Primarch]

Oh my!
http://imgur.com/a/P1ePF

Chaos Daemons have no extra psychic powers......WTF???
Vanilla Marines get more than Chaos Marines, Eldar get the least of any race with access to the new powers.

Wow. That just seems like some wierd choices.

[Mike the Pike]

Anyways, I for one am quite excited. It's not even my preferred GW game but as they say "A change is as good as a rest" and all that.