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Re: Top Ten shoot units in 40K

Post by Primarch » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:45 am

Admiral-Badruck wrote:MIJ... sorry to say but Dire |Avengers are not cost effective IMHO
They are however a troops choice so taking them doesnt cause any problems and they certainly shoot better than regular guardians. In all fairness, most of the Eldar stuff isnt that cheap.

As for losing dedicated assault characters in combat against reapers, thats more to do with dice rolls than any actual ability on the reapers part.
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Re: Top Ten shoot units in 40K

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Sun Sep 05, 2010 10:56 am

I think his record speaks for its self... MIJ should put up a list of units kill in CC by his dark reapers...
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Re: Top Ten shoot units in 40K

Post by Mike the Pike » Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:38 am

Top ten lists whether they be of the Madmiral's invention or on the Discovery Channel are usually pretty arbitrary in their criteria and/or biased towards the writer's own preferences and/or just plain dumb. Methinks the Madmiral's list smacks of all three. :D
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Re: Top Ten shoot units in 40K

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:09 pm

Thanks Mike did not know you cared...
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Re: Top Ten shoot units in 40K

Post by me_in_japan » Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:30 pm

no particular order WTF are you that indecisive that you cant pick Top Ten units you like to use and hate to face... make a stand have some guts oh wait you are and Eldar Player you cant help but not have any of that stuff... ..
oi, watch it with the personal insults, old bean. Don't make me get medieval with my mighty powers of Moderation. This applies to insulting anyone, but especially to insulting me. (cos im special, obviously...)

And the reason theres a few eldar units in my list is cos a) thats what i have experience with and b) eldar specialise very well. If we're talking about shooting, then the shooty eldar units are gonna be in there.

DA are really not a bad unit at all. Just cos you've gotten lucky a few times doesnt mean they arent any good. Theyre not a unit designed to flatten opposition. Theyre a unit which does well at knocking a few casualties down with a volley, then running in and tying em up until the banshees/scorps/harleys turn up to bail em out. Theyre not in my list because theyre not a very shooty unit. They are the cheapest unit in the eldar codex, though. (DAVU).

And for the record, my Reapers have killed:

in H2H:
One Dark Eldar Archon
One space marine chaplain
and have taken a wound off a chaos sorceror.

by shooting:
more space marines than you can shake a stick at. On average, 5 reapers will kill about 10~15 marines a game. A lucky volley can take out a full squad of ten in one shot. Yes, the exarch helps a lot with this.

in terms of points, theyve killed waaaaay more by shooting than in h2h, but then, they are a lot of points. (about 250 for a squad of 5 inc exarch).
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Re: Top Ten shoot units in 40K

Post by Mike the Pike » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:01 pm

no particular order WTF are you that indecisive that you cant pick Top Ten units you like to use and hate to face... make a stand have some guts oh wait you are and Eldar Player you cant help but not have any of that stuff... ..
This is why top ten lists are dumb :D
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Re: Top Ten shoot units in 40K

Post by Mike the Pike » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:17 pm

If you really want to make a 'real' list of the top ten shooty units then you must have some sort of criteria for comparison and calculate accordingly. In other words 'mathhammer' the aforementioned units i.e. Shooty Unit vs Target Unit (Statistically how many hits will it get per round of shooting, how many wounds, how many failed saves etc) Of course you'd have to factor in the cost of the unit somehow. You'd also have to 'measure' the shooty unit against a variety of targets (Boyz mob in cover, MEQ, Vehicles etc etc). After a solid week pouring over excel spreadsheets you might actually be able to find an answer.

Either that or you could respect other people's opinions and just have an adult discussion on the topic. :D
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Re: Top Ten shoot units in 40K

Post by Spevna » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:09 pm

Either that or you could respect other people's opinions and just have an adult discussion on the topic. :D
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Re: Top Ten shoot units in 40K

Post by Admiral-Badruck » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:40 pm

MIJ knows I love him,. If he doesn't by now then I guess I do not know him as well as I thought I did... so long as it helps :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

As for the Top ten...

I respect all the stuff dropped on this thread with the exception of anything that says Die fast Avengers are not a waist of points in any Competitive Eldar Army.. they are what 14 points a model if the are one point more than that then they are junk... 100% worthless game wise... As for the models they do look good... they are some of my favorite models in the Eldar range to look at... but hell all the Eldar models look good...
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Re: Top Ten shoot units in 40K

Post by me_in_japan » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:46 pm

I got this PM from Voss. I understand that the P in PM stands for "personal" or perhaps "private" but I feel its important to air this publicly as it affects everyone on the forums. The issue is: Moderators.

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Voss wrote:
me_in_japan wrote:oi, watch it with the personal insults, old bean. Don't make me get medieval with my mighty powers of Moderation. This applies to insulting anyone, but especially to insulting me. (cos im special, obviously...)
Ummm... just FYI, you really shouldn't do either of these things. It's a major conflict of interest and it can cause all sort of problems if people think there is moderating bias (and even more if there actually is). I'd really recommend to you not to threaten people with your moderating powers (especially in public) and don't moderate in a thread that you are actively engaged in. When you do use your powers, try to be professional and neutral. It can really come round and bite you in the behind something fierce if you don't.

My response to Voss is:
Me_in_Japan wrote:
Ummm... just FYI, you really shouldn't do either of these things.
either of what things? I only mention "getting medieval with my powers of moderation". Thats one thing, not a plurality.
It's a major conflict of interest and it can cause all sort of problems if people think there is moderating bias (and even more if there actually is).
How is it a conflict of interest? i read a post by a forum user that I thought was inappropriate. As a moderator, I have a responsibility to inform a user if he makes an inappropriate post. The fact that it was about me does not make this any less necessary.
I'd really recommend to you not to threaten people with your moderating powers (especially in public)
Moderators are supposed to use their powers of moderation to maintain standards in forums. I chose to warn Rob before I went ahead and did something like send an official warning or delete his post or similar. In fact, I cant imagine ever doing either of those things, as Rob is a good guy and a friend of mine, and a verbal message is all he would ever need. The whole tone of the warning was light hearted. A PM would immediately have been construed as much more serious and personal, and that wasnt the message I wanted to deliver at all.
don't moderate in a thread that you are actively engaged in.
I am engaged in a large number of threads in this forum. I read everything posted. If I am interested in any of the topics, I reply. If I were to abide by your suggested rule, I would either never moderate anything, or, alternatively, never post anything. Neutrality and fairness do not equate to distance and isolation.

My final comment of:
This applies to insulting anyone, but especially to insulting me. (cos im special, obviously...)
breaks down neatly into two parts. the first, "this applies to insulting anyone" was intended as a genuine message. Forum user should not make personal attacks against other forum users. Against their armies, or perhaps play style, sure. Against them personally, no. The second part "but especially to insulting me. (cos im special, obviously...)" was what we call a joke. This is something made by people who have a sense of humour.
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